Pass marks for each year are in public domain. In fact, Tiffins and Kingston LA give lot more information than Sutton schools.
Final cut-off scores for last 3 years were 225, 226, and 229 respectively.
Number of offers after initial allocation were 28, 26, and 27 respectively.http://www.kingston.gov.uk/secbook2013.pdf
This is useful information to have and as you say is easily accessible via public domain, I was never saying that Kingston were by any means secretive (we found all the above information very easily when we reserached it months ago) and definitely don't want to give the impression that I favour Sutton over Tiffins (if anything, it's the complete opposite) but I just wanted to raise concerns over certain aspects. Some of the answers have cleared any worries I may have had with regards to playground chatter regarding scores etc. I am not the best at articulating myself and feel the point I'm trying to make is not coming across very well. By giving previous 5 years marks (which have risen year by year) you can make a fair assumption that the cut off score for entry will rise again this year, that said it would probably be a safe bet to say that anyone with a score of say 235 this year stands a pretty good chance of getting offered a place. On the opposite end anyone scoring,let's say222 is pretty certain that they have not scored high enough and will probably choose not to waste a selection on the CAF. So generally knowing the score is a good thing one way or another UNLESS you are on one of the borderline scores (223-234) or thereabouts because you cannot make a fully informed decision either way, you can just hope for the best. My wife has spoken to parents of children already in Tiffins and Sutton and they actually think that in this situation the wait is actually worse than not knowing the score, because it is basically still in the lap of the Gods as we are none the wiser. In that situation you have to put it on the CAF and hope for the best because if you didn't and the cut off was miraculously lower for some reason you would be kicking yourselves as it is far too small a margin to call. I also appreciate that is hard to see my point if you are in either of the other positions ( i.e pretty sure you have passed or failed) you can pretty much move on and forget about it, we on the other hand have to wait another 4 months. What will be will be, we just need to wait until 1st March oh and of course hope not too many boys score highly on the Tiffin test in December LOL
That said on the matter of 2nd Test, On a serious point I understand why they have to sit another test etc but I really don't understand how anyone who really wanted there child to go to Tiffins, did not research when test was, go to open evening or visit website as I'm sure the majority of parents on here did months ago. I could understand the odd few missing it for valid reasons, but when you hear the numbers that could possibly be sitting it, it sounds more opportunistic to me, but that's just my opinion.
I also take your point about it not being right to have say 500-700 people passed but that is exactly what Sutton have done this year, they have 500 or so boys sitting a 2nd test after CAF has closed, so a majority of those will be wasted choices, so how is that more informed than before?