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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:28 am 
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My daughter sat the SET Nonsuch test yesterday and after discussing the outcome with her , I asked about the other girls around her. She mentioned there was 1 girl who didn't do any calculations or anything at all and just went to mark all the answers straight away and was done in 10 minutes ( in the test that is meant to take 50 minutes). She has done the same in both Maths and English.
I said it just doesn't make sense and it seems to me like the girl already knew the answers in advance?!

After the scandal few years back I was under the impression, schools are no longer allowed to reuse past papers and have to devise a new test every year . Or is it just the Slough grammars and Nonsuch still reuse them?

Sorry for the long post, my daughter is heartbroken :cry:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:13 pm 
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Aneta2799 wrote:
My daughter sat the SET Nonsuch test yesterday and after discussing the outcome with her , I asked about the other girls around her. She mentioned there was 1 girl who didn't do any calculations or anything at all and just went to mark all the answers straight away and was done in 10 minutes ( in the test that is meant to take 50 minutes). She has done the same in both Maths and English.
I said it just doesn't make sense and it seems to me like the girl already knew the answers in advance?!

After the scandal few years back I was under the impression, schools are no longer allowed to reuse past papers and have to devise a new test every year . Or is it just the Slough grammars and Nonsuch still reuse them?

Sorry for the long post, my daughter is heartbroken :cry:


Aneta,

Why would your daughter be heartbroken about sitting next to somebody who answered quickly? She could possibly have been sitting next to (a) a child prodigy or (b) a child who didn't want to be there and had no desire to go to a selective school. I think it incredibly unlikely that anybody has access to the answers in advance and if they did they would have to be totally stupid to answer in such a way as to tip off a distracted 11 year old !!

I don't think conspiracy theories are going to help anyone with the nervous wait ahead.

Best of luck.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:18 pm 
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More likely that the poor girl was pushed into doing a selective exam that was way beyond her ability.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:19 pm 
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Are there past papers for Sutton?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:21 pm 
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OP, are you saying that after your daughter told you about this other girl, your reaction was to tell your daughter that the other girl has probably cheated? And your daughter is now heartbroken because she thinks someone cheated?

It's just about possible, I suppose, but very unlikely. A child who was able to accurately remember that much information would probably be OK in the test anyway :lol:

Tell your DD, if she's sitting any more tests, not to worry about anyone else in the exam hall apart from herself. Even better, don't suggest to your DD that all her work is pointless because the hall is probably filled with children who are cheating.

Blueberry, no there aren't any past papers for Sutton (unless there are unscrupulous individuals out there who've got hold of them illicitly).


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:54 pm 
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There were "past papers " few years back, as the girl giving us tour during the open evening mentioned them.

I'm hoping it was just the scenario B as per first reply

Good luck to all the kids!


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:06 pm 
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There are no officially available past papers for the SET. I'm not sure what your student guide was referring to but it won't have been those as the schools don't publish them.

I suppose there may be past papers for Nonsuch's second stage test, but that may well have changed now that it's joint with Wallington Girls.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:56 pm 
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My suspsion would be she was a girl being pushed to sit the test for a school when she didn't actually want to go to that school. This is the one thing she can control, since her parents aren't in the room with her and will never see the paper to see what she has done. There's nothing her parents can really do about it (apart from appeal of course, but HW do they explain the low score?)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:59 pm 
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Talking about conspiracy theories, I bumped into a friend at the SET drop off yesterday and he whispered in my ear that he thought some of the girls looked much older than 10 or 11, he said he wouldn't be surprised if older siblings were sitting the test on behalf of their younger siblings. I just laughed and said good luck to anyone who has to go to those extremes to get their DD into a grammar school.

I also had to shake my head when I saw a mum forcing her DD eat what looked like digestive biscuits before the test. The poor DD was nearly in tears saying she was not hungry and the mum kept insisting that she must eat :roll: .

And talking about kids jeopardizing their own grammar school chances intentionally, my DD said that the girl sitting next to her in the exam hall didn't mark her answers on the answer sheet, but circled them on the actual test paper instead. Why none of the attendants picked this up during the test, I don't know, but apparently she had put her hand up after both tests were finished and said to the attendant that she had only just realized that she had not marked her answers on the answer sheets. The attendant walked her out of the room, so my DD didn't her what her response was. But again, can't help but feel that this was probably a DD who had had enough of being pushed into a situation that she didn't want to be in.

DD also mentioned that there were girls who started crying during the test and were removed from the room. The pressure that some DD's are under is way more than any 10 or 11 year old should have to deal with.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:04 pm 
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My DD helped out with the test at her school on Saturday. She mentioned there were a few girls crying as they went in or went out.

As she was escorting one girl to the hall, she asked her if she was nervous. The girl gave a very confident sounding 'NO' and carried on. Ok then.

There was also one very enthusiastic dad apparently. He was shouting lots of encouraging comments fence as DD led his DD to the hall. She thinks the girl was a tad embarrassed but happy.


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