Independents more socially inclusive than top state schools
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Chelmsford mum
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I beg to differ a little.huntlie wrote: The school in question is in a leafy suburb, and the vast majority of pupils are delivered to the door in latest-reg. BMW type cars - about 3/4 of them came from private preps or were intensively tutored. It's fascinating as a social study because one way lies the poorer housing, the other the £2 million + housing - at the end of the school day, a measly little trickle - maybe 100 + /- pupils? heads off for the 'poor' area - but the vast majority of the 900 head for the acreage of Epsom or the Victoriana of Richmond. Grammar schools socially inclusive? They must be kidding.
As I said before, it does depend on the area and the admissions policy.The school my children are at is certainly NOT socially inclusive but as I said in earlier posts, some grammars in the county are.
Bucks selects the top 25 % and has a vast array of grammars and again therefore are much more socially inclusive, certainly than in comparison to independent schools.
Even the successful non selective schools in leafy suburbs are subject to a form of social selection via property prices.
I think we are agreed! Bucks is v. different to Kingston - Tiffin Girls, say, selects 120 out of about 900.
Yes, my point exactly - local area housing likely to be 'leafy' anyway. But it was not ever thus - Sutton's GS, for example, used to have majority of pupils from 'poorer' areas until Greenwich Judgment kicked in.
Yes, my point exactly - local area housing likely to be 'leafy' anyway. But it was not ever thus - Sutton's GS, for example, used to have majority of pupils from 'poorer' areas until Greenwich Judgment kicked in.
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FirstTimeBuyer
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This sort of issue is meat and drink to the Sutton Trust.
See link: http://www.suttontrust.com/reports/Rate ... chools.pdf
I seem to recall seeing an updated version, but the conclusions were broadly the same. Free school meals (as a proxy for low income) are very low at top performing State schools, be they GS or Comp.
The suggestion is that, inter alia, they have been colonised by the affluent middle class (a la Huntlie's post, although Huntlie has been caught out greatly exaggerating the social set-up at Tiffin(?) by other posters on another thread).
If Chelmsford Mum is right, ie that some are more diverse than others, and the average is comparable to Independent schools, then that would suggest that the most selective GSs are even less socially diverse than Indies. Unlike the Indies, the GSs are under no public pressure to demonstrate a contribution to the wider society.
See link: http://www.suttontrust.com/reports/Rate ... chools.pdf
I seem to recall seeing an updated version, but the conclusions were broadly the same. Free school meals (as a proxy for low income) are very low at top performing State schools, be they GS or Comp.
The suggestion is that, inter alia, they have been colonised by the affluent middle class (a la Huntlie's post, although Huntlie has been caught out greatly exaggerating the social set-up at Tiffin(?) by other posters on another thread).
If Chelmsford Mum is right, ie that some are more diverse than others, and the average is comparable to Independent schools, then that would suggest that the most selective GSs are even less socially diverse than Indies. Unlike the Indies, the GSs are under no public pressure to demonstrate a contribution to the wider society.
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The stories are based on the Independent Schools Council's latest annual census.Guest55 wrote:Who conducted this 'research'? Was their evidence base?
