11 Plus Exams Forum

Dear Etienne and Sally-Anne,

Sorry to bother you but I am struggling to find an answer to my question on the forum.

I was wondering if you have any experience of the BAS3 and percentile required to provide academic support to an 11 plus review.

I am waiting for the head teacher report and I understand this supports my DDs case, however, I know some reviews fail as they state a lack of confidence in head teacher recommendation or expected SATS results are not believed. So I have also arranged an EP review, which will hopefully support my DDs case.

From what I understand the mean / average for the 11 plus in Buckinghamshire is 100, so a qualifying score of 121 would put a child I would guess (although I'm probably wrong) in the 80 percentile of a BAS3. Does this mean I need a 90 percentile plus rank or higher to support academically suitable for grammar. I don't want to submit a EP report if it does not support my case so knowing what level supports would be very useful.

Thank you in advance.

Welcome to Appeals!

Unlike WISC and BAS, the Bucks test is not a nationally standardised test, so comparisons may not be reliable, and I doubt that there's a definitive answer.

My guess is that a standardised score towards the top end of 119-126 (90-96th percentile) would be acceptable.

I suspect that a review might give more weight to realistic KS2 predictions of 111-120 & GDS, and to a headteacher recommendation of 1:1 to 2:2 if it appears to be reliable.
If the latter evidence is borderline, I can see that very good scores in BAS3 could help.

Thank you for your reply, I should have all the facts by next Monday.

There seems to be a lot of 118, 119 and 120 cases with all the key ingredients to support a successful review. It appears that a lot of children who were expected to pass had near misses this year and the non verbal score seems low. That is the area my DD fell down in as well.

I read a useful piece on selection cases from 2014 that you had collated with the key facts of the case and whether it was successful, have you done something similar since then?

I am trying to read what I can, so I don't need to ask so many questions.

I am trying to read what I can, so I don't need to ask so many questions.

Thanks!

Could you refresh my memory by providing a link to the piece in 2014 which you spotted?

Hello,
This is the topic, sorry I thought it was from you. It was very useful to see what the key facts of a successful or unsuccessful review are. It's just a bit out of date. Hopefully this link works....

https://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/forum ... 35&t=39747" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The EP report came back today with a GCA of 127 and the 96 percentile. So I believe this supports.

At selection review, do you know if the panels will know how to interrupt an EP report. I have been told at appeal an EP is consulted when a report is included as evidence.

Morrit wrote:Hello,
This is the topic, sorry I thought it was from you. It was very useful to see what the key facts of a successful or unsuccessful review are. It's just a bit out of date.

Interesting thread, but of course we get just a snapshot of each case.

In some instances we don't know what the attainment was in Y2-Y5 for each of reading, writing & maths, or the predictions for Y6. (Note that in other cases the review was unsuccessful because the prediction of level 5s wasn't credible. Hence this information must have been critical.)

We don't know in every case what the headteacher recommendation was, or how reliable. (Another piece of critical information.)

"Multi-lingual" - not necessarily an extenuating circumstance.

"Siblings at grammar school" - why relevant?

"Strong NFER scores" - how strong?

I think it can be difficult to judge someone else's case without seeing all the paperwork, including how the headteacher worded the school's support. (In the case of an appeal, one would also need to know exactly what was said at the hearing!)

It's a small sample, but my other observation is the number of "unsuccessful" review cases that went on to be successful - either in terms of level 5s, or at appeal, or at 12+ entry.

The EP report came back today with a GCA of 127 and the 96 percentile.

Promising.

At selection review, do you know if the panels will know how to interrupt an EP report. I have been told at appeal an EP is consulted when a report is included as evidence

An EP is not consulted at an appeal, but a review panel does have access to an EP where appropriate.
How much weight a review panel might give to an EP report as academic evidence (compared with an appeal panel) is an open question.