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 Post subject: Re: Sam10 appeals thread
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:22 pm 
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Please see the Q&As, B48:

https://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/appea ... cation#b48

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 Post subject: Re: Sam10 appeals thread
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:54 pm 
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Thank you Ethienne and hermanmunster. Ds had over one month off school in year 5 with illness - does the teacher need to confirm this? The gp will provide letter of support. Ds was also Ill two weeks before the test ,missing first week back in school; when she returned to school she was tested on sats comprehension which was a really low score as she was still not feeling right which the teacher was aware of - should we use this really low score as evidence of her not feeling right just before 11 plus or will this low score go against? We only have practice sats paper as academic evidence as that is the only testing the school does - is this enough? Ds has done a brief presentation in front of the class which is videod - can this be used or not? Ds had high anxiety before test which was compounded by being ill before the test (not the best preparation)which was a one off incident - would providing evidence through referenced studies on impact of test anxiety on standardised test be appropriate to use?


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 Post subject: Re: Sam10 appeals thread
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:58 pm 
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Sam10 wrote:
Thank you Ethienne and hermanmunster. Ds had over one month off school in year 5 with illness - does the teacher need to confirm this? The gp will provide letter of support.
The GP's letter is sufficient to explain illness, but ideally the teacher would explain the impact on school work and - most importantly - what progress has been made since then.

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Ds was also Ill two weeks before the test ,missing first week back in school; when she returned to school she was tested on sats comprehension which was a really low score as she was still not feeling right which the teacher was aware of - should we use this really low score as evidence of her not feeling right just before 11 plus ......
Possibly - but the real issue is what was her attainment like before her illness (e.g. level 3s at KS1), and what progress has she made since?

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We only have practice sats paper as academic evidence as that is the only testing the school does - is this enough?
KS1 levels? Reports to parents?
Herman has provided a link to the range of possible academic evidence.
All one can really say is the more academic evidence, the better!

How has each SATs paper been marked? If it just says something like 30/40, this is unlikely to mean anything to an appeal panel.

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Ds has done a brief presentation in front of the class which is videod - can this be used or not?
No, because an appeal panel is not allowed to assess the presentation. Any assessment should be provided by the teacher - but would the teacher be commenting on academic achievement, or the effort that went into the presentation, or a polished performance?
Academic achievement is what matters.

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Ds had high anxiety before test which was compounded by being ill before the test (not the best preparation)which was a one off incident - would providing evidence through referenced studies on impact of test anxiety on standardised test be appropriate to use?
I don't think anyone is going to dispute that a more than normal level of anxiety would have an impact.
More useful would be evidence from the GP about her level of anxiety, and confirmation from the school that they noticed how anxious she was.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:53 am 
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Hi could anyone please advise what NFER standardised score in year 5 for verbal and non verbal is acceptable To use for grammar school appeal that is not a super selective school? Is there a link to a website listing what is average, above average scores for NFER?

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 Post subject: Re: Sam10 appeals thread
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It's similar to CATs - look at the table in B28 (d):
https://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/appea ... cation#b28

If grammar school standard is significantly above average, I would suggest at least 119-126.
However, there's no definitive answer because it's entirely up to your individual panel members to decide.

The "average grammar school" is thought to select the top 25-30% of the ability range, which might suggest a nationally standardised score of 112-118 (or lower) - but see B57:
https://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/appea ... cation#b57
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Please can anyone advise whether the authority’s case should have been provided to us before the appeal hearing particularly information that was submitted from the primary school to independent appeals panel which was not supportive and one point was incorrect. Any advice appreciated


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Please can anyone advise whether the authority’s case should have been provided to us before the appeal hearing particularly information that was submitted from the primary school to independent appeals panel which was not supportive and one point was incorrect. Any advice appreciated


The clerk shouldn't be soliciting documents from third parties, so if this was something that the school had submitted to him / her in time for the collation of the paperwork, then yes, it should have been included in your pack. Either side can ask after the deadline for further documents to be considered, or even on the day, but if on the day, the agreement of the Chair has to be sought. All evidence has to be made available to all parties, which is why neither the presenting officer nor the parents can be allowed to be alone wgt the appeals panel.

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 Post subject: Re: Sam10 appeals thread
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Thank you toadmom. It was information taken from the independent appeals hearing which was heard last October before we were given the 11 plus results. Can they use this information and I would have thought it should have been shared with ourselves and the panel members prior to the hearing.


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Sam10 wrote:
It was information taken from the independent appeals hearing which was heard last October before we were given the 11 plus results.
Sorry, but this makes no sense. Is it possible you're referring to a review that took place in October?
Could you mean "Independent Assessment Board" (or some other body that doesn't have the word "Appeals" in its title)?

Assuming this was a review, were you told at the time that paperwork connected with the review could be made available at any subsequent appeal? (Please check carefully.)

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Can they use this information and I would have thought it should have been shared with ourselves and the panel members prior to the hearing.
All parties to an appeal must be sent the same paperwork before the hearing.

In certain circumstances, however, it may be possible for late evidence to be submitted at the hearing:
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If you had not seen the evidence before, and if you were not given time to consider it, my own view is that it would be unfair, and that you could well have grounds for a complaint.

Whether or not the complaint would be wholly successful probably depends on whether the information contained in the late evidence was actually used by the panel in arriving at a decision to refuse the appeal. (In other words, there are circumstances where the ESFA or ombudsman might say: "We partly uphold the complaint but there is no evidence that it affected the outcome of the appeal, so we will not be asking for a re-hearing").

Let us know if your appeal turns out to be unsuccessful, and we will advise you.
• We would need you to send us a copy of the decision letter.
• You should also try and get hold of a copy of the clerk's notes so that we can scrutinise them:
https://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/appeals/ombudsman#d4
(They might try to refuse, but we'll cross that bridge if we come to it.)

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 Post subject: Re: Sam10 appeals thread
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Hi Etienne

It was the assessment board. We had no involvement with this, it was the primary school that referred to this board. We only got to hear that they did this when we received the 11 plus results so did not have any say in this, so we were not informed that this information could be used at a later appeal. Thanks for your help


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