Teachers leaving from UK in droves - Feb 2016
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Re: Teachers leaving from UK in droves - Feb 2016
I also should imagine that there are many teachers who, like my friend, go to teach in Middle East for a year in order to get enough money under their belt to put down a deposit on a house when they return to England.
As G55 says the sample is far too small to be significant.
Also, "Teacher stays in UK after qualifying, continues to teach for next 23 years and intends to do so until retirement" is not such a catchy headline.
As G55 says the sample is far too small to be significant.
Also, "Teacher stays in UK after qualifying, continues to teach for next 23 years and intends to do so until retirement" is not such a catchy headline.
Re: Teachers leaving from UK in droves - Feb 2016
Yoyo, neither is "Merchant Bank Company Secretary retrains in Early Years"
Of all the many and varied teachers of my acquaintance I can only think of one who has left the UK and that was to go to the Far East.
Of all the many and varied teachers of my acquaintance I can only think of one who has left the UK and that was to go to the Far East.
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Re: Teachers leaving from UK in droves - Feb 2016
The NUT research is hardly likely to be unbiased
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Re: Teachers leaving from UK in droves - Feb 2016
lets agree to disagree on this one;
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Re: Teachers leaving from UK in droves - Feb 2016
The NUT will always have their own agenda to promote. I know teachers who left but that was years ago. I also know those who retrained as teachers so very much a two way movement. I don't pretend to have any detailed knowledge but an ex teacher friend says that the academy plans are aimed at breaking the power of the unions as the unions have consistently resisted change and meant that schools have often been unable to do all they wanted when that was in the best interest of their students. I don't know how much of this is accurate, it just an observation of one friend of mine, corroborated by a couple who are currently teachers as being quite plausible. What it says to me is that the Government don't trust or respect teachers in the big mass that they are, will that change if there is more autonomy? I like to think there are more opportunities to impress if good teachers are able to be better rewarded and given more opportunity to influence the school in a way that suits that school's needs. I also know some amazing teachers who were initially unqualified but had oodles of industry experience and were great at their job - the unionised qualified teachers were very hostile to them despite their obvious skills and how they engaged the children - yes they did eventually get QTS but it wasn't with the help of their 'colleagues' who IMO should have supported and helped them just as the new comers were supporting the aims of the school but no they thought more of their own career than the benefits to the students. I appreciate that qualified teachers are ideal but in some spheres I do think being open minded is only a good thing. An ex-mining engineer I know of (but not personally, as a teacher of a friend's DC) taught geography and did it exceptionally well according to the students but he wasn't for the first few years a qualified teacher. I do think we need to know who is teaching our choldren but also know that the routes in may mean the unions are not so hostile to those without formal teaching qualifications but otherwise highly suitable and who with support rather than animosity will anyway get QTS given time.
Re: Teachers leaving from UK in droves - Feb 2016
This makes me laugh out loud. Education in places like Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Saudi etc is in what might be called crisis. By their own admission. They are investing millions in off-the-peg reforms and still they aren't seeing any improvements.rittersport wrote:Of course there will always be a section of the society that is anti middle east, the Daily Mail brigade. However the teaching facilities in the middle east are second to none and one to see and behold. Of course there are certain sections of the schooling system that are more like the one here in UK, needing more investment and infrastructure change. I suppose the UK teachers fleeing to the Middle East are there to bring the standards up where money is not the limiting factor.
"Second to none"? Sorry but about this I do know quite a lot and this is nonsense. If teachers are indeed 'fleeing' (I don't see any evidence myself) it is because they will be paid masses. End of. The systems are not doing what their governments, which fear their parlous positions in the 'knowledge economy' once the oil dries up, are wanting. It is real bother for them and they are investing billions to try and improve things.
Re: Teachers leaving from UK in droves - Feb 2016
These are the true comments from Canadian and Australian teachers who came here to teach.
Australian: "I was amazed by BBC bitesize and many other well-known educational tools. I thought UK is the best place to learn the best teaching practise."
Canadians: "Hardly anyone left their teaching position back home, we couldn't find work so we came here to teach."
Unfortunately none of the them enjoyed the teaching here. They found the teaching work here unnecessarily stressful, teachers are powerless and disrespected by students, the education system here is purely ticking boxes and exam driven, etc. Not sure about the Australian teacher, but the Canadians are my wife's colleague, she said students loved their lessons and their subject knowledge are much better than UK teachers in her school.
I personally know a British geography teacher who taught in overseas for many years, he recently came back to England to teach at a top independent school in Ascot. He said English education is a spoon feed system, it makes students very lazy and cannot work on their own. He enjoyed teaching more at International Baccalaureate schools.
Australian: "I was amazed by BBC bitesize and many other well-known educational tools. I thought UK is the best place to learn the best teaching practise."
Canadians: "Hardly anyone left their teaching position back home, we couldn't find work so we came here to teach."
Unfortunately none of the them enjoyed the teaching here. They found the teaching work here unnecessarily stressful, teachers are powerless and disrespected by students, the education system here is purely ticking boxes and exam driven, etc. Not sure about the Australian teacher, but the Canadians are my wife's colleague, she said students loved their lessons and their subject knowledge are much better than UK teachers in her school.
I personally know a British geography teacher who taught in overseas for many years, he recently came back to England to teach at a top independent school in Ascot. He said English education is a spoon feed system, it makes students very lazy and cannot work on their own. He enjoyed teaching more at International Baccalaureate schools.
Re: Teachers leaving from UK in droves - Feb 2016
This is not my experience - I've worked with many Canadians, Australians and other nationalities both in my own school and in other schools; they have all enjoyed working in Bucks.Foreseer wrote: Unfortunately none of the them enjoyed the teaching here. They found the teaching work here unnecessarily stressful, teachers are powerless and disrespected by students, the education system here is purely ticking boxes and exam driven, etc. Not sure about the Australian teacher, but the Canadians are my wife's colleague, she said students loved their lessons and their subject knowledge are much better than UK teachers in her school.
I personally know a British geography teacher who taught in overseas for many years, he recently came back to England to teach at a top independent school in Ascot. He said English education is a spoon feed system, it makes students very lazy and cannot work on their own. He enjoyed teaching more at International Baccalaureate schools.
I don't think you can extend experience in one Private school to what is going on in most classrooms. State schools can't get away with spoon-feeding students and, indeed, some do offer the IB.