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 Post subject: Bond How To Do Non Verbal Reasoning - HelpPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:48 pm

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Trying very hard not to panic - ds is making so many silly mistakes - and just found out that we haven't ever done the pull out practice test in this book!

Can we please have some help on the following questions:

Section 1

Q. 4 c is the only one with a right angle, a is the only one with the square touching the tip of a triangle. Why e?

Q.8 why b and not a? Is it because of the shading? Is it really that easy?
10. Why e? Its so different!

Section 4

Q.4 A = two crossed squares, but what does the second letter represent?

Q.7 we just can't figure out any of the codes

Q.8 B = black triangle, so the first letter is D, but what is the second letter?

Section 5

Q.3 it is going to have 4 little lines, but what other logic is there?

Thank you.

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 Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:58 pm

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Here is my take on these questions.

Section 1

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Q. 4 c is the only one with a right angle, a is the only one with the square touching the tip of a triangle. Why e?

Logic is to do with the sides (triangle and rectangle) touching.

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Q.8 why b and not a? Is it because of the shading? Is it really that easy?

Hard one. Remember discussing this with DS few days ago. The only thing we found was that the outgoing lines kind of leave from the middle-ish of the circle.

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Q.10 Why e? Its so different!

Another one we discussed. The shapes in the question have straight line vertices. That eliminates 'a' and 'c'. We have shapes similar to 'b' and 'd' in the question with different shade, so eliminated. That leaves with 'e'. This is a clear demotivating question.

Section 4

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Q.4 A = two crossed squares, but what does the second letter represent?

First letter is to do with the black dots and their alignment. A - vertical; B - horizontal; C - diagonal.
Second letter is to do with the number of crosses. U - 2; V - 3; T - 1; S - 0

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Q.7 we just can't figure out any of the codes

Ignore the little outer square.
First letter is to do with the number white/blank squares. D - 2; F - 1; B - 3.
Second letter is for the pattern.

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Q.8 B = black triangle, so the first letter is D, but what is the second letter?

Honestly no idea.

Section 5

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Q.3 it is going to have 4 little lines, but what other logic is there?

Few combined logics here.
1. The vertical lines shifts the position as we move down each row.
2. The little lines go 4, 3, 2, 1, 0
3. The black square moves down but diagonally in each row.

The above are my (and DS's) logics. There could be other logics to arrive at the same answers.

Gilly

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 Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:27 pm

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Hi Gilly, thanks for taking the time out to explain all of that. Some things are still confusing me though.

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Section 1

Q. 4 c
Logic is to do with the sides (triangle and rectangle) touching.

I still don't get how the way the rectangle and triangle touch are any different from the others

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Q.8 The only thing we found was that the outgoing lines kind of leave from the middle-ish of the circle.

what an earth....

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Section 4

Q.7
Second letter is for the pattern.

Please can you explain what the pattern actually is - there are so many patterns.

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Section 5

Q.3 The black square moves down but diagonally in each row.

Cant understand the pattern of the black square.

If anyone could help, I would really appreciate it.

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 Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:24 am

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I don't think I answered the Section 1 / Q 4 correctly. Sorry

Section 1 / Q8, Q10 and Section 4 / Q8 were familiar to me as I had discussed with DS earlier. Other ones, I think, DS might have somehow scored correctly and escaped my radar.

I am away now and I will try to have a look at them again later today.

Gilly

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 Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:39 am

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Thanks Gilly!

Hmm.... I wonder where the rest of the NVR squad are.....

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 Post subject: Question 8Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:03 am

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I think that they all have pairs, which are distinguished by the contents of the circle.

Each pair then has wiggly lines, which for one of the pair go in and opposite in respect of the second member of the pair.

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 Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:46 pm

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Ok, take 2.

Section 1 / Q 4:

1. Rectangle shape is touching a triangle and this triangle has one circle overlapping.
2. The other triangle has two circles overlapping

'e' satisfies the first logic but not the second.

Section 4 / Q 7:

The pattern I mentioned here was the diagonal lines in the top left quarter of the square. Having said that, given the complexity of the patterns, one can easily choose BY instead of BX.

Section 5 / Q 3:

This is a good example of finding the answer by elimination.
1. From the logic of the number of small horizontal lines we know that it going to start with 4. That qualifies 'c' and 'e'.

2. If we watch the shifting of the black square down the rows, it either shifts diagonally towards the left or to the right while moving downwards. If we look at the 3rd column, we can see the movement of that square from the top right side of the first row (3rd column) towards the bottom left side of the third row (3rd column). That means it must have been in the middle somewhere in the second row (3rd column). That easily picks 'c' as the answer.

Hope this helps.

Gilly

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 Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:54 pm

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Thanks for this, Gilly x

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 Post subject: Section 4 Q 8Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:36 pm

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At a guess but:

first letter determined by triangle, square etc as previously resolved by Gilly, second letter is determined by the last bead on each of the threads, ie two black one clear etc

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 Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:47 pm

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orion,

Wow!! that is a worthy find. Thank you.

It makes sense now. I think the order also matters.

L - two consecutive black dots and one clear
K - all three clear
M - clear, black dot and clear
J - black dot, clear and black dot

Gilly

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