Parent fights to prove 11+ doesn't add up!

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SGmum
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Parent fights to prove 11+ doesn't add up!

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loobylou
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I read this the other day.
I have no axes to grind either way but I couldn't really understand the points he was making.
DC17C
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Frustration and anger are drivers for action. I guess he sees the inherent unfairness of the system and doesn’t like it..having been at the appeal end of things...it’s not a great place to be especially if you know you have a bright child...but then we all believe our children to to bright and deserving of the best education if they are 11 plus material....right??
LolaD
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loobylou wrote:I read this the other day.
I have no axes to grind either way but I couldn't really understand the points he was making.
I think it's about parents' right to know their child's 11plus exam raw scores. However, I am not sure if it is actually a problem as I have heard some people claim they were able to request raw scores directly from CEM.
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I also read this and couldn't really work out his rationale.
Wildfuture
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I don't understand his point. If two children get 60 questions correct and one ends up with a slightly higher 'final' score, that's down to age standardisation.
turnip08
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Haven't read the article but just responding to previous messages. We managed to get raw scores from both CEM (Bexley) and GL (Kent). What I think some people might be interested in, is seeing the data sets (raw scores) for all pupils who sat the exam.
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Post by streathammum »

One of those marvellous occasions when everyone seems to be in the wrong :lol: .

Raw scores won't tell the father what he wants to know, which is why his son didn't pass the 11+. They also won't help parents who see that a raw score of 60% was a pass last year but this year the test was a bit easier so you needed 62% to pass.

But CEM's argument, as set out in the article, that raw scores enable tutors to teach to the test, is also suspect. How would raw scores help tutors? I suppose they would find out how many questions were asked, but literally nothing else, unless I'm missing something.

There are certainly arguments in favour of being more transparent about the standardisation process but that doesn't seem to be what this gentleman is arguing for.
Wildfuture
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Has anybody heard how this went?
Ricky74
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It's been adjourned - this is the only article I could find https://comprehensivefuture.org.uk/11-p ... g-decides/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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