Leading secondary schools for oxbridge offers

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sonu17
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QE Vs Westminster school has never been a fair comparison, we need to compare like-for-like.

In recent years, the schools jostling QE for league positions have been St Olave's and HBS. From recent results it's clear that QE has moved so far ahead that it's going to be hard for other top grammars to catch-up, given the impressive intake it now commands.

2023 Oxbridge offers
QE Barnet: 47 (32 Cambridge + 15 Oxford)
St Olave's: 40 (27 Cambridge + 13 Oxford)
HBS: 34

2024 Oxbridge offers
QE Barnet: 62 (46 Cambridge + 16 Oxford)
St Olave's: 26 (16 Cambridge + 10 Oxford)
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sonu17 wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:19 pm QE Vs Westminster school has never been a fair comparison, we need to compare like-for-like.

In recent years, the schools jostling QE for league positions have been St Olave's and HBS. From recent results it's clear that QE has moved so far ahead that it's going to be hard for other top grammars to catch-up, given the impressive intake it now commands.

2023 Oxbridge offers
QE Barnet: 47 (32 Cambridge + 15 Oxford)
St Olave's: 40 (27 Cambridge + 13 Oxford)
HBS: 34

2024 Oxbridge offers
QE Barnet: 62 (46 Cambridge + 16 Oxford)
St Olave's: 26 (16 Cambridge + 10 Oxford)
What is fair comparison? Is it really like for like for 11+ or sixth form entry selection criteria too? :shock:

Harris Westminster
2023 48
2024 51
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Re: Leading secondary schools for oxbridge offers

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Correction: 2024 57 (Times 26 Jan 2024)
YetAnotherDad
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Re: Leading secondary schools for oxbridge offers

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Here are some figures from the Spectator Oxbridge league 2023 table which is apparently for the UCAS 2022 cycle.

Harris Westminster Sixth Form 40
Queen Elizabeth’s School, Barnet 35
St Olave’s and St Saviour’s Grammar School 31
Dame Alice Owen’s School 25
Henrietta Barnett School 21

These figures match the '2022' figures from the telegraph ( dated 1 mar 2023 and updated oct 2023)

I interpret these figures as for the being for the year in which the application is made so that the student will start in the following year. E.g. a 2023 offer means a start in 2024. It looks like the year of the 'offer' is being defined differently here ( as opposed to UCAS ). The Options seem to be

- The year when the UCAS application was made ( I.e. the year before the course will normally start )
- the year when the UCAS decision was made ( usually around Jan/ Feb of the year of the following the application)
- the year when the course actually starts ( some defer for a year for a gap year ? ) - so the official figures aren't accurate until the year after but probably only off by one or 2 places ?

from Sonu17 -
2023 Oxbridge offers
QE Barnet: 47 (32 Cambridge + 15 Oxford)
St Olave's: 40 (27 Cambridge + 13 Oxford)
HBS: 34

2024 Oxbridge offers
QE Barnet: 62 (46 Cambridge + 16 Oxford)
St Olave's: 26 (16 Cambridge + 10 Oxford)
How is the year being defined here ? Also are offers and 'accepted' being mixed up?
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As far as I can tell, Oxbridge numbers reported in the Spectator have always been a bit of a slurry.
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YetAnotherDad wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:34 pm
How is the year being defined here ? Also are offers and 'accepted' being mixed up?
The 2024 offers are for the cohort starting their University program in Sep of 2024, these places were applied in 2023 but the offer came in 2024 for a start in 2024. These are offers, which I believe are firm offers for Oxford however for Cambridge these are subject to STEP and other tests which will be taken at a later date, so there may be a few drop offs for Cambridge.
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jazbaati99 wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:24 am
YetAnotherDad wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:34 pm
How is the year being defined here ? Also are offers and 'accepted' being mixed up?
The 2024 offers are for the cohort starting their University program in Sep of 2024, these places were applied in 2023 but the offer came in 2024 for a start in 2024. These are offers, which I believe are firm offers for Oxford however for Cambridge these are subject to STEP and other tests which will be taken at a later date, so there may be a few drop offs for Cambridge.
No offers at this stage are 'firm', that is, unconditional, on the part of the university, unless the applicant has already achieved the A levels / IB or whatever at the required grades. The place offered by Oxford and Cambridge to applicants taking their A levels this summer will be conditional upon the applicants achieving the grades stipulated in their offer (and in the case of Cambridge course requiring STEP to be taken, the required result there as well).
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Woodhouse college in Finchley got 43 offers this year

https://www.woodhouse.ac.uk/oxbridge-nu ... -news.aspx
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Re: How is the year being defined here ? Also are offers and 'accepted' being mixed up?

As jazbaati has clarified (thanks!), "2024 Offers" in my post refer to conditional offers made by Oxford or Cambridge in Jan 2024 for Sep 2024 start. I am not mixing up offers with acceptances, this is a straight year-on-year comparison against previous year to indicate the jump in conditional offers this year and contrast with other competitive secondary schools.

Of course, all offers are conditional (unless we are talking about gap year students) and Oxford offer conditions are typically much lower than Cambridge; but QE students have a very good conversion rate (when compared with other grammars).

The detailed stats for QE "Acceptances" by destinations from past years are on page 4 (same thread). Once the figures are known for 2024 entry later this year, I shall update the table again.
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Re: Leading secondary schools for oxbridge offers

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Ann.kumar wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:18 pm Woodhouse college in Finchley got 43 offers this year

https://www.woodhouse.ac.uk/oxbridge-nu ... -news.aspx

Imperial College's Math school is run from here and also offer other A level in collaboration with Woodhouse. Does that have an effect on overall performance of Woodhouse?
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