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Their offers seem to cover a wide range of subjects so the Imperial maths connection doesn’t look like a major contributor to the total number of offers at Woodhouse. Unless there’s only one offer per humanities subject and all the STEM offers were generated by the maths connection?

From Woodhouse’s announcement:

« The offers, split fairly evenly between the universities, come from a diverse range of subjects including Ancient and Modern History, Biochemistry, Mathematics, Physics, Classics, Economics, English Language and Literature, Law, Music, Asian and Middle Eastern Studies, Philosophy and Theology, PPE, Engineering… « 
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https://www.iclms.ac.uk/faqs

What will I study?

You will work towards A Levels in Mathematics, Further Mathematics and at least one of Physics and Chemistry. There will be the option of studying a fourth A Level at Woodhouse College. If you wish to study four A Levels, then there are additional criteria you will need to meet.



Interesting from more than one pount of view...

- the very restricted offer actually from the Maths Schoo: Maths, more (more complicated) Maths, plus essentially applied Maths, or Chemistry
- the Maths School curriculum is three A levels (athough it does seem that it is possible to take both Physics and Chrmisyry, but see below), to include FM. Not accepted everywhere as a 3 A level offer when it comes to university applications.
- the 4th A level, if you meet whatever the additional criteria, unless it's Chemistry, will be studied at Woodhouse. So who claims the student?

Tbf, I haven't actually ploughed through the entire site, where these issues may be explained, of course.
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Woodhouse or ICmaths can certainly claim the boys studying there that culled by QE :D
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What is the issue with comparing Westminster school with QE on Oxbridge figures or are you talking about Harris Westminster not Westminster school?

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Daogroupie wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:40 pm What is the issue with comparing Westminster school with QE on Oxbridge figures or are you talking about Harris Westminster not Westminster school?

DG
Apart from the obvious ´what is the point ?’question there is an issue with comparing like for like. If you were trying to see which school gave your child a better chance of getting into Oxbridge (if that mattered more to you than academic fit, say) you would want to find the number of boys going through Westminster who then got offers. Westminster takes in a lot of high achieving students at 6th form. QE doesn’t. How many of Westminster’s 96 (iirc) Oxbridge offers went to DC who went through GCSE (or equivalent) at other schools? And how many were home grown? What effect does a sudden influx of high achievers from different backgrounds have on the performance of home grown or the incoming students?

Same applies to a QE vs Harris Westminster comparison though there is no homegrown element to the latter.
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I don't think the "home grown part" matters - the main point is to compare two different systems of selecting students, not the schools themselves.

System 1 involves a rigorous screening process for the boys (and their parents) from age 10, and then eliminates 15-20% of them at sixth form based on a series of internal exams (QE).

System 2 involves a single selection at age 15/16 based on public exam and some internal exam criteria (which vary in competitiveness from school to school, some being as tough as QE like Westminster King’s Math, some being less so like Harris Westminster, Woodhouse etc).

The final outcome of the compound rigorous selection is measured by the what-is-the-point Oxbridge results.

The other way to think about this is, if your child get a 250 score in QE entrance exam at age 10 - if he did not take system 1 but took system 2, his would not get a reduced chance of getting in to Oxbridge.
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Thé other confounding factor is that Oxbridge are under pressure to take more students from state vs independent. Are grammar school applicants considered as more advantaged when being compared to comprehensive school applicants, during the Oxbridge selection process? Or are they both seen as State educated and therefore preferable to independent?
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PerpetualStudent wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:51 pm Are grammar school applicants considered as more advantaged when being compared to comprehensive school applicants, during the Oxbridge selection process?
I would think it is the opposite
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Just to be clear - I was wondering whether comprehensive school students would be given preference over grammar school students or if they were treated as equally state school students?
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PerpetualStudent wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:35 pm Just to be clear - I was wondering whether comprehensive school students would be given preference over grammar school students or if they were treated as equally state school students?
They are not treated equally. Students from low performing comprehensive schools would have an advantage over those from state grammar schools and private schools. High performing grammar schools and private schools are affected by similar contextualisation.
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