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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:52 pm 
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1. Local Authority area in which the appeal took place:AVDC

• 2. What you were appealing against?

• c. both non-qualification and oversubscription

• 3. Name of school you were appealing for: Aylesbury High


• 4. Was this a school where the governors are the admission authority?
Academy - Bucks ed acted as admission authority
• 5. Approx. date of appeal hearing: June 5th

• 6. How many days in advance of the hearing, including weekends, did you receive the case papers? 12 days

• 7. Where was the appeal held? Local hotel
(e.g. council offices)

• 8a. Did your individual hearing start more or less on time? Yes

• 8b. If not, how late was it in starting? Maybe

• 9. Do you know what sort of independent appeal panel you had? Not sure

• 10. Who was on the panel?
(if you were told, e.g. a retired teacher, a businessman, and school governor - no names, please.)
A local business woman and governor of different school
A local business man
An retired primary headteacher

• 11. Was there a group hearing? Yes
(This is where stage 1 - the LA or school case - is presented to all the parents as a group)

• 12. Did the appeal follow the recommended order of business? Yes
• a. the case for the admission authority;
• b. questioning by the appellants and panel
• c. the case for the appellants;
• d. questioning by the admission authority and panel;
• e. summing up by the admission authority; and
• f. summing up by the appellants.

• 13a. Had your case already been considered by a Review Panel? Yes
(sometimes applies to non-qualification)

• 13b. If so, were you told that, because your case had already been reviewed, the only issue for the appeal panel was whether the review had been conducted properly? Yes

• 14. What questions were you asked about your case?

FCO
Didn’t want us to read what we had written before. But happily let us read our speech.
We asked Aa rep if all cases who had moved schools had been questioned as our Dd’s case had. He said he didn’t know but he had not seen a case where a school move had been raised.

One panel member asked the aa rep if they would agree that the academic record on the SRP headteacher summary sheet looked as high as it could be as it seemed to be. He said yes he agreed and that that had clearly been provided by law by our dds previous school.

The same panel member said he thought the srp evidence took no account of 3 pieces of evidence. Did the aa rep agree? The A’s rep said “I suppose I do yes”

Clerk then asked us and aa rep to leave the room to give legal advice on line of questioning.

Aa rep said to us ‘I wonder what she doesn’t like that I said. I know the legal framework as well as she.’

Acad evidence presented - asked to confirm when moved schools.
Given the comprehensive evidence why did she not get over the qualifying mark? They said ‘Presumably you expected your daughter to fly through it?’ We answered no we are not that arrogant but on balance we expected her to pass comfortably based on feedback from both schools.

How did Our dd say it went?
How does she approach homework? Perfectionist and slow or quick with careless errors?
Was she Prepared for what the test might be like?
Was she Tutored? “No right of wrong answer”. We said yes - was it by us or paid for? We said paid for given disrupted yr 5.
Was she aware of what the test meant?

Did our dad visit her current allocated school ?what did she think?
Are you in catchment for that school.

Please tell us why the prejudice to Your did would outweigh the prejudice to the girls at the school. We were then challenged that some of our reasons were “preference” not prejudice.
- does she any career plans? We said no, only 11!
- Can she cope with 2 languages? We said we thought so.

How did she feel about the previous school move?

• 15. What were the panel like? Professional, polite, warm
(e.g. Were they friendly? polite? considerate?)

• 16. As far as you know, was the representative of the admission authority left alone with the panel at any point in time? (It's acceptable for the representative to be waiting outside the room, but he/she must not be already in the room with the panel when you arrive, or remain in the room with the panel when you leave.) no

• 17. Were you asked at the end of the hearing whether you had had sufficient time to state your case (or words to that effect)? Yes

• 18. Did you feel rushed? No

• 19. How long did the hearing last? About 1 hr
(excluding the group hearing, if there was one)

• 20. Were you told you could telephone for the decision? No
(most authorities do not allow this, although some do)

• 21. If you have the result, was your appeal successful? Yes!

• 22. How long did you have to wait for the decision, including weekends? 5 weeks

• 23. Success rates for appeals for this school (if applicable, and if known):
• a. on this occasion - don’t know. There were 40 appeals

• b. Based on info presented by aa in their case, previous years 0 the previous 2 yrs. 4 in the yr before that.


• 24. Any other comments:
It felt a fair and reasonable process. We came out thinking we had probably won the FCO argument, had a 50/50 chance on qualification but were unlikely to persuade them on prejudice. But we felt we had said everything we could and been totally honest.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:37 pm 
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• 1. Local Authority area in which the appeal took place:
Bucks
• 2. What you were appealing against?

• b. oversubscription only?

• 3. Name of school you were appealing for:

Will add later
• 4. Was this a school where the governors are the admission authority?
Academy

• 5. Approx. date of appeal hearing:
8.6.18

• 6. How many days in advance of the hearing, including weekends, did you receive the case papers?

In time to add extra info but we had to be sharp.

• 7. Where was the appeal held?
Council Offices

• 8a. Did your individual hearing start more or less on time?

Slightly late I think but not enough to notice too much

• 8b. If not, how late was it in starting?


• 10. Who was on the panel?

They all had links with education and children who had been educated in the County.

• 11. Was there a group hearing?
Yes but neither my husband or I were able to attend

• 12. Did the appeal follow the recommended order of business? A
• a. the case for the admission authority;
• b. questioning by the appellants and panel
• c. the case for the appellants;
• d. questioning by the admission authority and panel;
• e. summing up by the admission authority; and
• f. summing up by the appellants.

• 13a. Had your case already been considered by a Review Panel?
No

• 13b. If so, were you told that, because your case had already been reviewed, the only issue for the appeal panel was whether the review had been conducted properly?

• 14. What questions were you asked about your case?
I was asked about a closer school and whether we had visited.
I was asked if my DC had friends at this school.
What would we do to resolve issues if we were unsuccessful?
I was asked about siblings for context.
I was asked about his own school and if he was alright there, friendships bullying etc.
What were his plans for the future. This made sense in the context of our appeal.


• 15. What were the panel like?
The panel were professional and I felt that they gave me ample opportunity to present my DC case, they tried to dig deeper where I may not have presented well. It was an emotional experience for various reasons but I felt comfortable despite extreem nerves.

• 16. As far as you know, was the representative of the admission authority left alone with the panel at any point in time? (It's acceptable for the representative to be waiting outside the room, but he/she must not be already in the room with the panel when you arrive, or remain in the room with the panel when you leave.)
No
• 17. Were you asked at the end of the hearing whether you had had sufficient time to state your case (or words to that effect)?
Yes

• 18. Did you feel rushed?
No

• 19. How long did the hearing last?
Supposed to be 20 mins I wasn't sure what time I went in but suspect I ran over time.

• 20. Were you told you could telephone for the decision?
(most authorities do not allow this, although some do)
No I was told I would here in 5 working days.
• 21. If you have the result, was your appeal successful? No it was a majority decision so possibly some dissent and the year group was already over subscribed.

• 22. How long did you have to wait for the decision, including weekends?
About 5 days.
• 23. Success rates for appeals for this school (if applicable, and if known):
• a. on this occasion

• b. in previous years


• 24. Any other comments:


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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:54 pm 
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• 1. Local Authority area in which the appeal took place:
Essex County Council

• 2. What you were appealing against?
• a. non-qualification only?
• b. oversubscription only?
• c. both non-qualification and oversubscription?
C

• 3. Name of school you were appealing for: Colchester Royal Grammar School

• 3b. Year group being appealed for:
(e.g. Y7 entry)Year 7

• 4. Was this a school where the governors are the admission authority?
(e.g. academy, foundation or voluntary aided) No

• 5. Approx. date of appeal hearing: 8 May 2019

• 6. How many days in advance of the hearing, including weekends, did you receive the case papers? 3 working days

• 7. Where was the appeal held? Colchester Adult Learning Centre
(e.g. council offices)

• 8a. Did your individual hearing start more or less on time? yes

• 8b. If not, how late was it in starting? on time

• 9. Do you know what sort of independent appeal panel you had? For example:
• a. A panel appointed by the Local Authority? - because it's dealing with a community school for which the LA is the admission authority.
• b. A panel appointed by the school? - because it's an academy, foundation or VA school where the governors are the admission authority.
• c. A Local Authority appointed panel acting at the request of the school? - because it's an academy, foundation or VA school where the governors are the admission authority, and they 'hired' a panel from the LA.
• d. Some other panel acting at the request of the school? - because it's an academy, foundation or VA school where the governors are the admission authority, and they 'hired' a panel not from the LA but from a commercial organisation, charity, or some other body.

A

• 10. Who was on the panel?
(if you were told, e.g. a retired teacher, a businessman, and school governor - no names, please.)
Retired Head teacher, civilian and the chair


• 11. Was there a group hearing?
(This is where stage 1 - the LA or school case - is presented to all the parents as a group)
yes

• 12. Did the appeal follow the recommended order of business? yes
• a. the case for the admission authority;
• b. questioning by the appellants and panel
• c. the case for the appellants;
• d. questioning by the admission authority and panel;
• e. summing up by the admission authority; and
• f. summing up by the appellants.

• 13a. Had your case already been considered by a Review Panel?
(sometimes applies to non-qualification)
no

• 13b. If so, were you told that, because your case had already been reviewed, the only issue for the appeal panel was whether the review had been conducted properly? No

• 14. What questions were you asked about your case?
questions about why we felt our son lost concentration half way through the maths paper, what influence the extenuating circumstances had on him, why he wanted this specific school



• 15. What were the panel like?
(e.g. Were they friendly? polite? considerate?) Judgemental, discrimination, vile, hostile, patronising, pre-judged, dismissive and bais

• 16. As far as you know, was the representative of the admission authority left alone with the panel at any point in time? (It's acceptable for the representative to be waiting outside the room, but he/she must not be already in the room with the panel when you arrive, or remain in the room with the panel when you leave.)Yes

• 17. Were you asked at the end of the hearing whether you had had sufficient time to state your case (or words to that effect)? no

• 18. Did you feel rushed?No - we felt from the start that the panel were fed-up by the time we had to state our case and made extremely offence remarks

• 19. How long did the hearing last? 40 min
(excluding the group hearing, if there was one)

• 20. Were you told you could telephone for the decision?no
(most authorities do not allow this, although some do)

• 21. If you have the result, was your appeal successful? No

• 22. How long did you have to wait for the decision, including weekends?10 days

• 23. Success rates for appeals for this school (if applicable, and if known):
• a. on this occasion none

• b. in previous years1 since 2012


• 24. Any other comments:The appeal was horrific. I personally never felt so humiliated and pre-judged in my whole life. Our son's academic ability was astronomical. The retired head teacher commented extremely positively on his academic ability although we could sense from the start that the rest of the panel and the chair was not consistent or neutral at all. When the school were questioned - by other parents as well- about the admission criteria, the different papers sat, the false representation of the traffic light system, the Chair was quick to stop everyone, dismiss their comments and said the these were not questions for the school. But when a member of the panel made discriminating statements about our ethnic origin, english as a second language, excluding statement like "we English won't use this or that word that is typical of where you come from" , also making mocking gestures with his hands regarding my hearing disability - the chair did not once intervene. We were many times rudely interrupted during our statement which does throw you of path...When I used the word state school in error, instead of local comprehensive school the chair was extremely rude asking me if I knew what I am actually appealing for. When we attempted to summarised our final statement with regard to "if you could please take into account our extenuating circumstances, English as a second language, our academic evidence and also gender equality (as admission off cuts are not the same for everyone)...the chair shrugged her/his shoulders and said..."that's the system"...and if that is all we can adjourn this meeting.

The moment we left the room we phoned the appeals office to log a complaint regardless of the outcome of our appeal as we were treated like second class British citizens being at an inquest rather than an appeals meeting to state our sons case. The chair did not handle these procedures in a professional way whatsoever, and I am truly saddened by this all, feeling we've been failed by the system and our own council we've proudly been supporting since our arrival in the UK. We were asked to send and email to a specified person, which to this date, has not responded at all. (we did phone the following day to ask if the email were received. It was). We will follow up on it tomorrow morning.

We did all we could to state our son's case. But for us as his parents to be treated in such a way was truly shocking.

Yes, I can understand that the panel were obviously fed-up by the time we had to state our case. The wait is really tiring for everyone. Almost everyone before us came out distraught. Most in tears. From the start some were impatient, rude, abrupt, vile, dismissive and challenging. As the chair stated from the start ..."Just to confirm, your appeal is not being supported as you did not meet the admission criteria, now please state your case.'...so No it is then.

On a positive note - To date, we need 0.96 to be allocated a space at CRGS. We will stay on the waiting list. The schools representative and the retired head teacher tried their best to ask relevant questions, we felt that they truly listened and could sympathise with our circumstances. For now, we will be floating once more....


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 4:19 pm 
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1. Local Authority area in which the appeal took place: North Yorks

• 2. What you were appealing against?

• c. both non-qualification and oversubscription?

• 3. Name of school you were appealing for:
EMS
• 3b. Year group being appealed for:
Y7 entry

• 4. Was this a school where the governors are the admission authority?
Yes

• 5. Approx. date of appeal hearing:
May 2019
• 6. How many days in advance of the hearing, including weekends, did you receive the case papers?
15
• 7. Where was the appeal held?
School

• 8a. Did your individual hearing start more or less on time?
40 mins late


• 9. Do you know what sort of independent appeal panel you had? For example:
• a. A panel appointed by the Local Authority? - because it's dealing with a community school for which the LA is the admission authority.
• b. A panel appointed by the school? - because it's an academy, foundation or VA school where the governors are the admission authority.
• c. A Local Authority appointed panel acting at the request of the school? - because it's an academy, foundation or VA school where the governors are the admission authority, and they 'hired' a panel from the LA.
• d. Some other panel acting at the request of the school? - because it's an academy, foundation or VA school where the governors are the admission authority, and they 'hired' a panel not from the LA but from a commercial organisation, charity, or some other body.

Unkown

• 10. Who was on the panel?
(if you were told, e.g. a retired teacher, a businessman, and school governor - no names, please.)
Lay person x 2 and independent educator x 1

• 11. Was there a group hearing?
(This is where stage 1 - the LA or school case - is presented to all the parents as a group)
Yes
• 12. Did the appeal follow the recommended order of business?
Yes
• a. the case for the admission authority;
• b. questioning by the appellants and panel
• c. the case for the appellants;
• d. questioning by the admission authority and panel;
• e. summing up by the admission authority; and
• f. summing up by the appellants.

• 13a. Had your case already been considered by a Review Panel?
(sometimes applies to non-qualification)
No

• 13b. If so, were you told that, because your case had already been reviewed, the only issue for the appeal panel was whether the review had been conducted properly?
NA
• 14. What questions were you asked about your case?
Why I thought the test was unfair. Why I hadn't asked for additional provisions such as a ruler.


• 15. What were the panel like?
(e.g. Were they friendly? polite? considerate?)
Very professional, friendly, wanted to put you at ease.

• 16. As far as you know, was the representative of the admission authority left alone with the panel at any point in time? (It's acceptable for the representative to be waiting outside the room, but he/she must not be already in the room with the panel when you arrive, or remain in the room with the panel when you leave.)
No.

• 17. Were you asked at the end of the hearing whether you had had sufficient time to state your case (or words to that effect)?
Yes

• 18. Did you feel rushed?
No, but felt manipulated by the school representative in order of conversation and weight sent on various issues.

• 19. How long did the hearing last?
(excluding the group hearing, if there was one)
45 mins.

• 20. Were you told you could telephone for the decision?
(most authorities do not allow this, although some do)
Yes.

• 21. If you have the result, was your appeal successful?
Unknown

• 22. How long did you have to wait for the decision, including weekends?
6 days.

• 23. Success rates for appeals for this school (if applicable, and if known):
• a. on this occasion unknown

• b. in previous years 2018 - 20 appeals, none successful.


• 24. Any other comments:
A very stressful and demoralising experience. Would recommend avoiding the whole appeals process if at all possible. Feel like the school did not believe academic evidence demonstrating academic ability - questioned accuracy of ed pysc report and questioned quality of support by Headteacher of primary school despite it being very strong.


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