How to appeal against refusal of a Bucks GS place March 2013
Moderators: Section Moderators, Forum Moderators
Re: How to appeal against refusal of a Bucks GS place
Thanks KKT. Ours was on the 11th so in all likelihood was given more time (although, as you say, possibly STILL rushed).
Re: How to appeal against refusal of a Bucks GS place
Thank you Etienne for such a thorough dismantlement of the Admission Authority's case. I think all of us going through this will find it invaluable. I am like many other parents quite daunted about what I am likely to face in there, and want to get it right. So I was wondering where in the order of business, these points should be raised. Is it in the "Questions by the appellant and panel" phase, or in "The case for the appelant" phase?
The order of business (which I'm sure is the same for everyone) is:
The order of business (which I'm sure is the same for everyone) is:
- The case for the Admission Authority
Questions by the appellant and panel
The case for the appelant
Questions [presumably to us by the Admission Authority and panel]
Summing up by the Admission Authority
Summing up by the appelant
Parents and Admission Authority leave
Decision by the IAP on First Stage
Re: How to appeal against refusal of a Bucks GS place
As I read it, you will be invited to ask questions about 'fair, consistent & objective' at item 2. That's what I would expect.
- 1. The case for the Admission Authority
2. Questions by the appellant and panel
3. The case for the appellant
4. Questions [presumably to us by the Admission Authority and panel]
5. Summing up by the Admission Authority
6. Summing up by the appellant
Parents and Admission Authority leave
Decision by the IAP on First Stage
I doubt they'd then stop for a decision on 'fair, consistent & objective' - indeed, the bit at the end suggests the decision making will come after the entire hearing. The fact that there's no summing up for 'fair, consistent & objective' after item 2 seems to confirm that.
Item 3 would be your academic case.
Item 6 would be your summing up of everything (you don't believe the admission authority has come up with any specific evidence that the review was applied 'fairly & consistently & objectively' in your case - and if that is the finding of the appeal panel, would they kindly take a completely fresh look at your case for selection, and consider all the academic evidence suggesting that a grammar school place would be appropriate?).
Although the lead up to this is bound to be stressful, the feedback we've always had about BCC appeals on the forum is that most panels and presenting officers are very considerate and will do their best to put you at ease.
Etienne
-
- Posts: 128
- Joined: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:42 am
Re: How to appeal against refusal of a Bucks GS place
I just want to say that I am in the middle of pulling everything together for Appeal 1 tomorrow and would have been nowhere without your outline of all the points to raise. I am feeling slightly more relaxed about it (I stress slightly).
I was wondering if anyone has yet been to the panel using your advice and how they found it?
I did speak to one person who knew of someone who had had an appeal on Friday and apparently it went well and the panel members were very nice.
Do we know when the appeals started and how many there are?
I was wondering if anyone has yet been to the panel using your advice and how they found it?
I did speak to one person who knew of someone who had had an appeal on Friday and apparently it went well and the panel members were very nice.
Do we know when the appeals started and how many there are?
Re: How to appeal against refusal of a Bucks GS place
Good luck ConfusedAylesburyMum, I hope everything goes well
-
- Posts: 128
- Joined: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:42 am
Re: How to appeal against refusal of a Bucks GS place
Thank you Y6Mum.
Will try and feedback tomorrow night on any points they make and how it went.
We are using tomorrow as our test run for Appeal 2 on Friday as I do not expect AHS to have any places available even if we do get through tomorrow!!
Will try and feedback tomorrow night on any points they make and how it went.
We are using tomorrow as our test run for Appeal 2 on Friday as I do not expect AHS to have any places available even if we do get through tomorrow!!
-
- Posts: 9235
- Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:10 pm
- Location: Buckinghamshire
Re: How to appeal against refusal of a Bucks GS place
It really is very early days to be able to draw any conclusions. As far as I know the first appeals were held on Thursday or Friday. We won't know how many there are in total for some while to come.ConfusedAylesburyMum wrote:I was wondering if anyone has yet been to the panel using your advice and how they found it?
I did speak to one person who knew of someone who had had an appeal on Friday and apparently it went well and the panel members were very nice.
Do we know when the appeals started and how many there are?
I can however say that panel members are rarely anything other than nice. They have a task to complete, but they try to do it with understanding and sympathy for parents.
Re: How to appeal against refusal of a Bucks GS place
Similar to us. The appeal for our first choice (which is almost certainly overscribed) is on May 1st. With our second appeal a week later on the 8th.ConfusedAylesburyMum wrote:Thank you Y6Mum.
Will try and feedback tomorrow night on any points they make and how it went.
We are using tomorrow as our test run for Appeal 2 on Friday as I do not expect AHS to have any places available even if we do get through tomorrow!!
Just wish I could do a proper rehearsal beforehand
-
- Posts: 9235
- Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:10 pm
- Location: Buckinghamshire
Re: How to appeal against refusal of a Bucks GS place
Obviously you are very welcome to post feedback here, but we also have an official feedback thread: http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/forum/ ... =35&t=9205" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;ConfusedAylesburyMum wrote:Will try and feedback tomorrow night on any points they make and how it went.
If you have the time to do so it would be greatly appreciated if you could post on there as well.
You never know - the distance increased in the second round, and must be right on the edge of being "All Offered". Several years ago I recall someone who had done all the preparation for an oversubscription appeal in July, and was poised for the hearing on a Monday. She received a call on the Friday before the appeal to say that her daughter was being offered a place.We are using tomorrow as our test run for Appeal 2 on Friday as I do not expect AHS to have any places available even if we do get through tomorrow!!
Good luck tomorrow!
Re: How to appeal against refusal of a Bucks GS place
Hi thereConfusedAylesburyMum wrote:I just want to say that I am in the middle of pulling everything together for Appeal 1 tomorrow and would have been nowhere without your outline of all the points to raise. I am feeling slightly more relaxed about it (I stress slightly).
I was wondering if anyone has yet been to the panel using your advice and how they found it?
I did speak to one person who knew of someone who had had an appeal on Friday and apparently it went well and the panel members were very nice.
Do we know when the appeals started and how many there are?
We attended ours on Friday and it was not as a daunting experience as I thought it would be! Just be well prepared and you will be fine. The hearings on Friday were for the SHFG school and the schools rep said that there were 5 appeals that day and there were 5 days worth for that particular school (he was to be there on 4 out of the 5 days).
We have appeal number 2 coming up for AHS and we know there are no spaces from what I have heard (or very few), so will give it our best shot. I am glad that the process is coming to an end, whether it is a positive or negative outcome, I know that I have done all I can.
Good luck to you all.