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Jess
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Post by Jess »

Sorry, I'm stuck again. This question is from HABs maths paper 2006. This time I will type it out in its entirety!

Great Aunt Maud gives Fred some money for his birthday each year, which he decides to save. On his first birthday she gives him £1. On his second birthday she gives him £2, on his third birthday she gives him £4 and so on, doubling the amount each year. On which birthday will the total amount saved reach £16 383?

What's the formula to work this out please?

Thanks very much
Jess
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Post by KenR »

I think the answer is:-

2**0=1 (** means to the power of)
2**1=2
2**2=4
2**3=8

Hence the equation is 2**(n-1)=16,383 where n is the Age

taking Log of both sides you get (n-1)Log2=Log16383

Hence (n-1)=Log16383/Log2

Happy to be corrected by a mathematician!

The other way is by trial and error using a calculator with increasing powers of 2 until you pass 16383.
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Jess wrote:Great Aunt Maud gives Fred some money for his birthday each year, which he decides to save. On his first birthday she gives him £1. On his second birthday she gives him £2, on his third birthday she gives him £4 and so on, doubling the amount each year. On which birthday will the total amount saved reach £16 383?

What's the formula to work this out please?
1st year: gives £1 making a total of £1.
2nd year: gives £2 making a total of £3.
3rd year: gives £4 making a total of £7.
4th year: gives £8 making a total of £15.
...
nth year: gives £2^(n-1) making a total of £2^n - 1.

And as we all know, 16383 is 2^14 - 1, so that total is reached on Fred's 14th birthday.
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Post by moved »

As this is an 11+ paper and I assume that no calculators are allowed, then simple adding will work.

Each time you add a number on you are nearly doubling the total.
e.g.
1 + 2 = 3 + 4 = 7 +8 = 15 +16 = 31

So keep up the doubling until you get to 8192 and then count the years.

1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 +64 +128 + 256 +512 + 1024 +2048 +4096 +8192 = 16383.

14 numbers added together, so 14th birthday.
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Post by Jess »

Thanks very much for replying KenR-but rather embarrassingly I don't understand your answer! I never did get to grips with Logs at school...could you explain as if you were talking to a complete ignoramous (you are!)?

Thanks so much-really appreciate your help
Jess
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Post by Jess »

Nope, no calculators allowed. I get the adding up method, but it seems a bit slow (like me!). Am afraid I'm still struggling with the other methods...what does ^ mean?!
Memories of my Dad shouting at me when he couldn't get me to understand a maths methodology are flooding back...and is it me, or is this just ridiculously hard for a 10 year old?
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Post by WP »

Jess wrote:Nope, no calculators allowed. I get the adding up method, but it seems a bit slow (like me!). Am afraid I'm still struggling with the other methods...what does ^ mean?!
Same as Ken's **, "raise to the power":

2^5 = 2*2*2*2*2 = 32

The trick is to notice that the total is always a power of 2 minus one, and then you can do it by doubling until you reach the target plus one:

2 ,4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16384

If you don't notice that, adding will get you there slower but sure.
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Post by Jess »

Thanks WP. Even I can understand that! Thank you all very much
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